tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post6377438567916017132..comments2023-11-19T02:17:12.690-08:00Comments on Joan Beiriger's Blog: Editorial: Not all art is licensableJoan Beirigerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09354137719721177494noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-47710895963670082392016-05-20T07:33:18.557-07:002016-05-20T07:33:18.557-07:00Also great points Mr. Mathis.Also great points Mr. Mathis.Vivaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672509488059610971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-378845523109899602016-05-20T07:27:30.514-07:002016-05-20T07:27:30.514-07:00Classy replies Joan ;)Classy replies Joan ;)Vivaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672509488059610971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-32276959199884485732013-11-26T11:51:16.508-08:002013-11-26T11:51:16.508-08:00the reason those paintings are sitting in barns is...the reason those paintings are sitting in barns is because they didn't possess a compelling enough story that the consumer would want to purchase them. I see this all the time as a fine artist, I see other artists creating art for the sake of creating art, which results in zero sales... and then the artist mopes off telling themselves that maybe it's not right to ask for $$$ for their art since no one is interested, which perpetuates another myth that if you are selling your artwork you are prostituting yourself. <br /><br />Given the current economy if the product doesn't have a compelling enough story then the consumer isn't interested. <br /><br />k baxter packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11894633518508627271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-66775880533412381532013-11-26T11:45:00.524-08:002013-11-26T11:45:00.524-08:00Thank you Joan, I've listened to this audio be...Thank you Joan, I've listened to this audio before and it was very encouraging as well as educational! k baxter packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11894633518508627271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-47452260693652513442013-11-26T11:38:43.151-08:002013-11-26T11:38:43.151-08:00Excellent point on being a "brand" versu...Excellent point on being a "brand" versus generic licensing. You've given me something to think about and when other's have asked me about my designs, and how the love the story that comes with my designs I will focus on my brand from here on out. <br /><br />One of my favorite brands on the market would be P. Buckley Moss. If you get a chance watch the PBS documentary about her life, and watch it carefully, because it is there that you will discover that she has her "commerical brand" and also to other bodies/styles of work that the average consumer does NOT know about. Those works are sold off of her easel before they are even completed and those works are very different than her "commercial brand". <br /><br />So for the artist that wants to have a commercial brand, or generic licensining, AND still produce works that make that other part of your soul sing, don't give up it IS possible!k baxter packwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11894633518508627271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-85481648627529128072011-05-12T07:27:22.931-07:002011-05-12T07:27:22.931-07:00The "selling out" argument is a lame one...The "selling out" argument is a lame one. An artist can do both--design for themselves and the market. Some pieces you do for yourself, some for the market, and you'd be surprised how, with time, they start to overlap. Sounds like Anonymous has had a heaping helping of sour grapes, and also doesn't know what he/she is talking about.Color Bakeryhttp://www.colorbakery.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-54197541373330749472011-04-07T13:42:55.104-07:002011-04-07T13:42:55.104-07:00Thank you very much for sharing what you have lear...Thank you very much for sharing what you have learned over the years. I am a new artist and I appreciate it. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-5535278965532626042011-02-23T15:24:56.545-08:002011-02-23T15:24:56.545-08:00Very nice post Joan. Even amongst the art themes ...Very nice post Joan. Even amongst the art themes and ideas the aggressive Anonymous considers generic, their's a wonderful and dynamic amount of diversity. Each artist putting their spin and love into their work and it shows. Thanks for encouraging thoughtful discussions!Aaron Christensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09333784155575990558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-76427242658115574882011-02-22T15:14:47.809-08:002011-02-22T15:14:47.809-08:00The above article from Art Licensing is from art l...The above article from Art Licensing is from art licensing agent Lance Klass of Porterfields Fine Art Licensing. JoanJoan Beirigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354137719721177494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-52677021521688473992011-02-22T15:03:05.193-08:002011-02-22T15:03:05.193-08:00Excellent article, Joan, and quite to the point. I...Excellent article, Joan, and quite to the point. I couldn't agree more with Suzanne Cruise's rejoined to "Anonymous". I've received many hundreds of art submissions from artists who felt their art was so very good that it was perfect for licensing, but they hadn't taken the time to study what licensing is all about, or even visit a mall or a large national chain to look at products with licensed art and get a feel for the market. They're too wrapped up, in many cases, in how wonderful their art is. And while it may indeed be wonderful, beautiful, lovely, or charming, as for its suitability for commercial art licensing, forget it!<br /><br />Over the years I've learned to avoid artists who paint only for themselves and not for the end buyer, that consumer who is generally a woman aged 30 or above, who purchases the vast majority of retail goods in America. She purchases for her spouse, her children, her home and herself (the guys buy the toys). She's the heart of the market and every manufacturer of giftware, home and quilting fabrics, kitchen fabrics and kitchen accessories, home decor products, stationery and crafts knows her well and tries to create products that she'll like.<br /><br />So if an artist wants to be successful in licensing his or her art, the answer is to paint for the market and for the end consumer, not for one's self. There are plenty of barns with paintings stored inside because they never sold and never licensed. While they might be discovered someday, they're not likely to figure well in the creation of a viable career in art licensing.Art Licensinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08876886901184369067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-5435524013804414092011-02-21T05:54:12.466-08:002011-02-21T05:54:12.466-08:00For an inspiring story on licensing to niche marke...For an inspiring story on licensing to niche market, listen to a free audio replay of an interview by Tara Reed of surf & skate board artist Drew Brophy and his agent Maria Brophy. They explain how Drew built his brand and licensed his art to a niche market by staying true to his art style. To download the audio replay go to: http://askdrewbrophy.com/<br />JoanJoan Beirigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354137719721177494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-1201958448171268122011-02-19T11:08:04.523-08:002011-02-19T11:08:04.523-08:00Joan,
I wanted to thank you for this great articl...Joan,<br /><br />I wanted to thank you for this great article. I love the insight that you've shared and agree with you on nearly every point that you've made.<br /><br />What some fail to see, my husband included until recently - (he is the artist I am the business side of things) is how important it is to create for mass market appeal if you want to be successful in licensing. I think there are two ways you can look at this, one perspective is that you're "selling out". Artists hear this from the galleries, from their "niche" fans, etc. The other perspective is if I produce enough artwork for mass market licensing, and it is bringing in a nice PASSIVE income, then that affords me the time and freedom to create the art that I am more passionate about.<br /><br />My husband is now building a larger library of more generic images. He is passionate about the ocean, waves to be exact, and surfing. I've been begging him for years to "not paint the surfer", then it's beach/coastal art, not "surf art". A very simple compromise creates a piece of art that is much more suited to mass market.<br /><br />I think every artist has to make that personal decision. It's not been easy for my husband, but now he wishes he'd seen the light sooner. People can call him a sell-out if they want, but he's smiling as the royalty checks and the new licensing opportunities roll in. We've got a ways to go to "living our dream life" but we feel certain we're on the right path!<br /><br />Good luck to all of you, and whatever choices you make in your art business, may you have massive success!<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />TaraTarahttp://www.islandjive.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-472922883576454152011-02-18T14:46:05.653-08:002011-02-18T14:46:05.653-08:00Hello Joan,
Not the aggressive "Anonymous&qu...Hello Joan,<br /><br />Not the aggressive "Anonymous" here. Just don't have an online presence at this time. I started licensing my art in the late 80’s, before there was internet and very few even knew what art licensing was. I really could have used your help back then, thank you for the guidance you provide for the newbies of today (too bad some don’t appreciate it!).<br /><br />For a while I was very successful in art licensing (by my standards, I made a good living). However, I made the mistake of trying to please too many art directors and letting myself be pulled in too many directions. By the time I figured out the idea of creating my own "brand" and sticking too it I was pretty much "burned out".<br /><br />Art Licensing is a commercial business; there is no shame in that. Unfortunately some artists believe you should only do art for art sake (I even had an art teacher tell us not to "prostitute" ourselves if you can believe that!). That’s fine if you are either independently wealthy or you don't mind waiting tables on the side... I guess every artist has to decide if their art is a career or a hobby. <br /><br />Over all I enjoyed "playing the game" and someday I will start painting again (it's been a long time). When I do, I plan to throw my hat back into the ring. <br /><br />So, as you always advise your readers, watch the markets and the trends and find a way to express what you see in a way that is truly your own.<br /><br />To the "Aggressive Anonymous", enjoy your hobby!<br /><br />Good luck and good art to us all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-48348816166825993432011-02-18T08:31:14.084-08:002011-02-18T08:31:14.084-08:00Joan, thanks for the good article. There are valid...Joan, thanks for the good article. There are valid points being made here, but I think you need to view this information in terms of the business of art licensing – while there may be the occasional niche application for “unsuitable” art, you are not likely to make a living at it. I also do not agree that Patience, Jim Shore, Kelly Rae and some others mentioned are not mainstream art – they may have a unique twist or recognizable look, something that can be very desirable, but they are hardly operating on the periphery of the business. I will second Suzanne’s comments about the majority of the art that agents receive – I’ll say over 90% is just not licensable. Subject and style are certainly issues, but most often it is just not good enough. The above mentioned artists, and I dare say any successful licensed artist, have learned their trade and are accomplished in their craft. If there is any disservice being done by this current “rush to licensing”, it is the message that if you just believe in your art you will succeed. Nice platitude but just not the case in this business.Jim Marcottehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12023296085335282304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-84722383255239618632011-02-18T07:13:36.241-08:002011-02-18T07:13:36.241-08:00Joan wrote...."Artists and agents recommend t...Joan wrote...."Artists and agents recommend that you should paint the subjects that you love but if you are serious about licensing you may have to do some compromising."<br /><br />It seems as though every industry is built on negotiation and compromise at some level. I can't imagine that art licensing would be any different.<br /><br />From a newbies point of view, this article was extremely helpful and thought provoking and the comments were just as intriguing. Examining both sides of the coin usually results in a broader perspective on any topic.<br /><br />I spend time working on a portfolio everyday for the art licensing industry. Will any of the artwork be accepted for a licensing contract? I don't know. In the meantime, I'm grateful for the articles and conversations provided by all of you.<br /><br />Mary Lou LaBergeMary Lou LaBergehttp://www.labergedesign.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-78855462434319673022011-02-18T04:57:51.154-08:002011-02-18T04:57:51.154-08:00I think they are two areas of art licensing.
The...I think they are two areas of art licensing.<br /><br /> There is a larger more generic area where the artist is trying to get artwork into various formats (repeat patterns, square shapes, circular shapes, etc.) so that it can possibly fit on as many products as possible. <br /><br />And then there is the more focused area. i don't think niche is the right word though. It's more brandable as it is artist driven by the name and look of the artwork. Think Thomas Kinkade, Jim Shore, Mary Engelbreit, Kelly Rae Roberts, Cheri Blum. You immediately recognize it when you see it. <br /><br />I think there is room for both within the art licensing industry. <br /><br />To say that "this artwork is too narrow in focus for mass market appeal to be licensed" seems wrong to me. <br /><br />Joan, your intent with this editorial may have been to be helpful to people looking to break into the art licensing arena by helping them understand different aspects of the industry. And maybe it does from all the comments. Perhaps I am reading it wrong. <br /><br />I just hope that people take everything they read with a grain of salt and do what feels right for them with their art career path.Andy Mathishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10111869432073546594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-69246434497456003132011-02-17T18:36:17.443-08:002011-02-17T18:36:17.443-08:00Sorry for the delay in posting the most recent com...Sorry for the delay in posting the most recent comments to this editorial. I posted the article before I realized the response I'd get from it and should be close to my computer. I'm out of town for a long weekend and finally arrived at our motel with internet access. I appreciate all the positive responses but I do understand the not so positive responses. I'm happy to post positive and negative comments because I feel hearing both sides is a learning experience and I'm always willing to learn. Keep those comments coming in! Joan<br /><br />Note: SKU means stock keeping unit. To find out more read the article on the following link - http://joanbeiriger.blogspot.com/2010/05/advantages-in-getting-multi-sku_10.htmlJoan Beirigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09354137719721177494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-33781693459479080852011-02-17T12:50:05.174-08:002011-02-17T12:50:05.174-08:00What's SKU?What's SKU?anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-71200229910137338162011-02-17T12:33:05.889-08:002011-02-17T12:33:05.889-08:00Licensing for art is driven by trends. I think rig...Licensing for art is driven by trends. I think right now companies are being very cautious and are going with what they see as safe choices. This may change with the changes in the economy. From a business standpoint it's important to pay attention to that. If this is what companies want than you want to produce art to meet their needs. I agree with Joan that you do need to think of this as a commercial market. It doesn't mean that you can't create images for other markets. I work on images for books, fine arts and licensing. Some images can cross over but others just don't fit the markets needs. I think you have to look at things from a business stand point. There may be companies that do things that aren't for mass market. The thing you need to think about is targeting to a market.Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09063640642299838764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-23440145424786114422011-02-17T12:32:16.677-08:002011-02-17T12:32:16.677-08:00To anonymous,
Having been in the biz as a licensin...To anonymous,<br />Having been in the biz as a licensing agent since 1990, I can WELL assure you I have seen a great deal of art sent to me from people who sincerely thought their portfolios were very licensable, but in reality, that was the last thing that would ever happen with them. I've seen my fair share of really darn good art, but art that was totally not suited for the art licensing arena (but it may have been very well suited to other art venues). This is the EXACT point you totally missed that Joan was making. I have seen much great and not so great art that had a ton of soul put into it, but soul didn't mean it was going to appeal to any segment of art licensing. The bigger picture about putting soul in your art is that whether the art is for licensing, or commercial art, or book illustration or whatever, soul will give it at least a bit of a leg up in that industry. Joan clearly states that artists should "get as many opinions as possible from people who are in art licensing" in order to better know if your work fits there or somewhere else. Wise advise indeed. <br />Suzanne Cruisesuzanne cruisehttp://www.cruisecreative.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-16725903930337426132011-02-17T11:48:30.248-08:002011-02-17T11:48:30.248-08:00Hello Joan,
Your article is composed of so many va...Hello Joan,<br />Your article is composed of so many valid truths, especially to those of us that license our art. Thank you for sharing.<br />It would be nice if "Anonymous" would provide their name and expertise in this field and share with us as to how they have come to these conclusions about art work that is licensed.Karen Embryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07809251731179440346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-22901723424518498462011-02-17T11:29:54.638-08:002011-02-17T11:29:54.638-08:00Joan, thank you for sharing this post. The commerc...Joan, thank you for sharing this post. The commercial nature of creating an art licensing business is such an important aspect that every artist must consider for themselves. J'netJ'net Smithhttp://www.allartlicensing.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-58015173301645555652011-02-17T11:04:34.044-08:002011-02-17T11:04:34.044-08:00Great article - I think it all makes a lot of sens...Great article - I think it all makes a lot of sense and artists do have to realize to what end they are wanting to create their work for...lindahttp://www.tortagialla.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-80232489001543897632011-02-17T10:37:52.718-08:002011-02-17T10:37:52.718-08:00Hi Joan, Anonymous and anyone else,
As Patience Br...Hi Joan, Anonymous and anyone else,<br />As Patience Brewster's agent in the beginning, I am a huge fan and am so happy for her success. Patience has created characters that are endearing and unique and paired them with clever names and editorial that speaks to the heart. Her work creates an emotional response -mostly laughter! Patience (and her team of mostly family) have made very careful decisions about their partners in order to preserve the quality and uniqueness of her brand. In fact, I believe she has taken most everything in house at this point so she can control the quality and the distribution. This is not the normal path of a licensed artist!<br /><br />While some might find this article generic in advice, Joan pretty much says it like it is. Just like any advice: it may not all pertain to you but there is truth in what she says since she has walked this road. So have I and it is not for everyone. SheilaSheila Meehanhttp://meehandesigngroup.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2668465913284912052.post-35873993976822274752011-02-17T09:33:21.305-08:002011-02-17T09:33:21.305-08:00I don't see anywhere in Joan's article whe...I don't see anywhere in Joan's article where she is suggesting art has to be generic in order to be licensed. Instead, she lists a number of examples of ways to tweak artwork to make it more likely to be licensed. Joan has shared a lot of valuable information and it is very disappointing to see someone misinterpret her message and attack her credibility - anonymously, of course....Deb Gallagherhttp://www.debgallagherdesign.comnoreply@blogger.com